Tony Bennett on 9/11: "'They Flew The Plane In, But We Caused It"

In a recent interview with Sirius Radio shock jock Howard Stern, legendary crooner Tony Bennett made some controversial remarks regarding 9/11.

 

ABC News reports that Bennett told Stern, “They flew the plane in, but we caused it, because we were bombing them and they told us to stop.”

 

Bennett — who is a WWII veteran — is a renowned pacifist. Drafted by the U.S. Army in November 1944, Bennett served as an infantryman in Europe, moving across France, and later into Germany. His experiences in combat forever changed his attitudes toward war. 

 

"The first time I saw a dead German, that's when I became a pacifist," Bennett told Stern.

 

When the Shock Jock pressed Bennett on how the United States should deal with terrorism — specifically those responsible for the 2001 attack on the World Trade Center — Bennett was upfront with his opinions:

 

“But who are the terrorists? Are we the terrorists or are they the terrorists? Two wrongs don’t make a right [...] They flew the plane in, but we caused it, because we were bombing them and they told us to stop.”

 

Here's a video of the controversial interview:

 

 

What are your thoughts on Bennett's opinions? Even though he's an entertainer, does his WWII experience give more weight to what he says?

 

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Well thrust.  My replies are bordered by ** signs.

 


Joe Blow said:

I loved your response.  It was a good one.

 

The U.S. makes the first move, and Canada follows behind.  That's happened in most wars except for Vietnam and Iraq.

I would like to correct you on that sentence.  Canada had troops in Vietnam, thousands of them.  In fact there were more Canadians in Vietnam than the draft dodgers in Canada.  They were also involved in Iraq as well but not active soldiers.  Canadian involvement is the same as condoning the actions of the U.S. in Iraq.

 

**I am not aware there were Canadian troops in Vietnam, officially sent by Canada. I know some Canadians volunteered to fight because for a long time they wanted a military pension from Canada and never got one.  I must check on that. I know there were non-fighting "advisors" in Iraq, and mercenaries who were hired to fight.**

 

It really sucks to be told you have to buy American goods all the time, but when Canadians try to sell their goods they are told they have to hide the Canadianness because Americans aren't interested in it.

You are misinformed.  Under the NAFTA agreement the U.S. is Canada's largest trading partner.  The balance of trade is huge.

 

**I am talking about products that are OBVIOUSLY Canadian, like books, TV or film - or any product that is obviously Canadian.  That is one of the bigger complaints of other nations as well.  We are the greatest buyers of American cultural products.  At one time 92% of the cultural products in Canada were American.  We watch movies about American cowboys, and Chicago gangsters, watch TV shows about California and Hawaii, read what New Yorkers are doing in magazines.  But we are told that we can't act like Canadians in Canadian movies because Americans aren't interested in that.  Americans also want foreign movies to be remade into American movies before they will watch them, no matter how popular they may have been in their original form. Latest:  The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo

 

A couple of years ago 13 Tim Hortons opened in New York, one in Grand Central Station. When customers were informed this was a Canadian franchise most of them said they preferred to be eating American donuts than Canadian donuts.  I think that any company that would be obviously as associated with Canada as Tim Hortons would suffer the same opinions.

 

We have stores here called American Apparel.  I can't imagine stores in the U.S. succeeding called Canadian Apparel.


Canada sells mostly natural resources and parts of things that are then constructed in the U.S.  Recently the New York Post lambasted Obama for riding in a campaign bus the post said was a "foreign" bus built in Canada.  Only its shell was built in Canada, but it shows the attitude when something non-American is favoured.**

 

 

Canadians are astounded at the rampant religiousity of a nation that brags about freedom of religion, and at such a wealthy nation that nevertheless has such astounding poverty and poorly educated and informed people.

 

Well I am astounded that you posted that.  Canada is no better on the astounding poverty on the reserves and Canada has been fighting the War on Poverty when it was declared over 30 years ago.  Guess what.  They lost.  Try looking up the number of homeless people in Canada when you get a chance.  My own city has a homeless shelter and two or three food banks where poverty stricken people can get a meal or take home non perishable

food items.

 

**Sure, you're right about the poverty on reserves, which is also in the U.S.  And Canada sure does have homelessness.  But Canada also has generous social programs that help people rise up out of their circumstances, and a safety net that tries to catch the vulnerable.  Any politician daring to say that Social Security or Medicare should be cancelled would be a politician with a dead career.**

 

And Canadians really don't understand how Americans can run around saving the world, but be so callous to their own citizens who cannot afford health care.

 

Well you just try to get old in Canada and can't look after yourself and you will soon find out that nursing homes are not free and the care in them is nothing to brag about.  I know this from experience.  "You can go broke if you're sick. Also if it wasn't for one socialist politician in Saskatchewan that stood up against the doctors, the health care in Canada would probably not exist today.

 

**Well getting old in Canada is better than in the U.S.  We have a Guaranteed Income Supplement that is not very high, but does make it much better than merely the government pension.  There are provincially-funded nursing homes and some have had problems, but so have the paid ones.  A friend of mine in Louisiana tracked down a 90 year old uncle in Tennessee and found that he had been tied hands and feet to the bed for 3 months, and had such bad bedsores his flesh was worn to the bone.  That was a private nursing home.

 

The "socialist" politician was a social democrat.  There is a difference.  Same difference there was between Norway and the USSR.  No one is trying to escape from Norway.  That's the problem with Americans.  They are so afraid of the word "socialist", they don't even know what it means.  They think it means the Soviet Union will be reborn in the U.S.  However, most of what you find humane in your economic system comes from socialism.  Pensions, paid vacation, social security, welfare, a 5-day work week (or at least a limited hour work week), minimum wage.  All those were socialist principles FDR implemented because it was obvious that laissez-faire capitalism would not be tolerated after what it did to create the Great Depression.  In fact if you did not have those safety nets in place now, there would be rioting in the streets, what with the economy being what it is in the U.S. If the Tea Party has its way and removes those safety nets there will be rioting in the streets.

 

Tommy Douglas may have started the ball rolling with universal healthcare, but it was eagerly carried on, and any politician now advocating dismantling the system and making it what it is in the U.S. would be committing career suicide.**

 

The hysterical fear about universal health care as being against God and nature, and politics is just astounding

 

That's not the argument.  The argument against universal health care is that you can't force people to buy insurance because it's against the "sacred" Constitution. That is being debated in the Supreme Court of the U.S. right now.

 

**You are talking about the truncated version Obama was forced to put out because of the monumental opposition to the functional version he first proposed. I agree that forcing people to purchase insurance is strange. I'm not even sure why the Republicans are fighting it so hard because the private insurance companies get to sell more insurance.  But I also read and heard the rhetoric from Americans about the fear of government, the trust in the private sector, the communist/nazi inclinations of Obama forcing Americans to get free government care instead of the dignity of not being able to afford private insurance.  It became downright un-American to want government insurance.  Better to die poor than die un-American.  In fact it is downright un-American to be poor.  The poor deserve their lot because if they have not figured out a way to be rich they must be too lazy to be "real" Americans.  It is a social crime to be poor in the U.S.**

 

 

It's like the concept of equality among Americans means even that the most ignorant, uneducated, ineffective person with absolutely no real working knowledge of the world, can be just as entitled to be President as the one who actually has qualifications the job needs.

 

Well isn't that what democracy is all about? 

 

**That's too much democracy.  Like having the right to vote from birth or for the mentally insane would be too much democracy.  Neither you nor the world would want to live under a President like that, and I am sure after one was elected and served his/her term some amendment to the Constitution would be passed that made the job requirements a little more specific.**

 

I find that most Canadians are awfully naive about what is going on in their own country.  I think they watch too much American television and get brainwashed.  I don't think I have ever seen any Canadian television stations on cable or satellite in the U.S.


**Not as naive as Americans, I don't think. There are things that have gone on in the U.S. in the last 11 years that I was sure Americans wouldn't put up with if they knew what was going on, but I don't think they know what's been going on.  The attacks on Obama are a good example, calling him socialist and Nazi and being totally unaware that every other western, industrialized country has some form of government healthcare and the sky has not fallen on those countries. Who can honestly listen to FOX News?  Who can take Glenn Beck seriously?

The belief that the rich are going to trickle down their tax cuts or create jobs if they get them is another naive belief.  The rich are hiring overseas. The lack of understanding that today's global economy that major corporations did much to establish means that days of plentiful, good-paying jobs are gone. They are not aware that the best hope they have of getting good jobs is for China, India and Brazil to start advertising for them. 

You can't keep expecting each generation to do better than the last.  There is only so far to go.  That may have made sense when there was little industrialization and plenty of resources, but not at this stage of the game.

 

We watch too much American TV because, like I said, 90% of the cultural product has been coming from the U.S.  Americans are complaining that the rest of the world has no right to tell it how to run its business, but if you sell CNN and FOX all over the world you can't blame people for having opinions.

 

You don't see Canadian TV because the U.S. won't buy it or watch it when it's bought.  It's too foreign.  The same way they complained about the CFL franchise in the U.S.  They didn't want to be playing places like Edmonton or Saskatchewan even though CFL stands for Canadian Football League.**

 

 

They think they know more about U.S. politics than they actually do.  How many people living in a province next door to a U.S. state know the name of the governor of that state.  But they expect the Americans to know who is the premier of the province.

 

You're right. Something comes on the news sometimes, and sometimes a governor stands out enough to be well-known.  But for the most part what goes on in the individual states is not known.  But most Canadians knows who is the American President and that the capital is Washington. An awful lot of Americans don't know as much about Canada or even what the form of government is or how Canada has been standing by them and helping them in their wars.

 

Now I asked the question of who would make a better neighbour than the U.S.  Perhaps Mexico or maybe Quebec who keeps threatening to secede and can't tolerate the English language?

**Well Quebec is a neighbour and we know what that's like.  It's hard to answer that question, really.  If the U.S. was never there how would life be different?  It's a complicated question because although Canada has benefitted much the relationship financially, and most Americans are nice and a lot of fun, much of the reasons Canada is culturally stunted and its economy run by so many American firms is because of the tremendous power of the U.S.  The U.S. has made it obvious that if Canada tries to be too independent in its direction, if it goes against the interests of the U.S. it may not be as nice and fun anymore. 

 

I think the Mexican border would be safer because the drug wars now going on are a direct result of America's need to be so heavy handed about the use of drugs.  And who knows Mexico's economic situation may also be some result of Mexican/American politics and maybe a Mexican/Canadian relationship would have been different. 

 

But if your point is that Canadians are not saints and that there are a lot of things to complain about in Canada, you're right. :D**

 

 




Joe Blow said:

I see.

 

Now that I point out to you that Canada's hand are not clean, suddenly there are no responses?

 

Good. Glad I could enlighten everyone.

 

Dear Joe Blow!!!!!!!!!!!i am canadian too, but you seem to be bias re the US of AAAAAAAAAA maybe if you lived there and looking for a job you would feel differenT, we all know that the conservatives here in canada, are always following the  US in whatever scams they provide the world with,,,,,,,and you seem to feel you are enlighting the world  ?? maybe the world is not interested in your hollywood comments ? question ? why do the US make so many war movies after they lost one ???  only to please theUS gun happy people, NRA is the most important agency in the US along with Cheney's Halliburton, one commentator claimed the US was a most civilized nation in the world !!!  WOW,, 34 states still have the death  penalty, that's really civilized !!!!



Joe Blow said:

I loved your response.  It was a good one.

 

The U.S. makes the first move, and Canada follows behind.  That's happened in most wars except for Vietnam and Iraq.

I would like to correct you on that sentence.  Canadians served in the U.S. army  in Vietnam, thousands of them.  In fact there were more Canadians in Vietnam than the draft dodgers in Canada.  They were also involved in Iraq as well but not active soldiers.  Canadian involvement is the same as condoning the actions of the U.S. in Iraq.

 

It really sucks to be told you have to buy American goods all the time, but when Canadians try to sell their goods they are told they have to hide the Canadianness because Americans aren't interested in it.

You are misinformed.  Under the NAFTA agreement the U.S. is Canada's largest trading partner.  The balance of trade is huge.

 

Canadians are astounded at the rampant religiousity of a nation that brags about freedom of religion, and at such a wealthy nation that nevertheless has such astounding poverty and poorly educated and informed people.

 

Well I am astounded that you posted that.  Canada is no better on the astounding poverty on the reserves and Canada has been fighting the War on Poverty when it was declared over 30 years ago.  Guess what.  They lost.  Try looking up the number of homeless people in Canada when you get a chance.  My own city has a homeless shelter and two or three food banks where poverty stricken people can get a meal or take home non perishable

food items.

 

And Canadians really don't understand how Americans can run around saving the world, but be so callous to their own citizens who cannot afford health care.

 

Well you just try to get old in Canada and can't look after yourself and you will soon find out that nursing homes are not free and the care in them is nothing to brag about.  I know this from experience.  "You can go broke if you're sick. Also if it wasn't for one socialist politician in Saskatchewan that stood up against the doctors, the health care in Canada would probably not exist today.

 

The hysterical fear about universal health care as being against God and nature, and politics is just astounding

 

That's not the argument.  The argument against universal health care is that you can't force people to buy insurance because it's against the "sacred" Constitution. That is being debated in the Supreme Court of the U.S. right now.

 

It's like the concept of equality among Americans means even that the most ignorant, uneducated, ineffective person with absolutely no real working knowledge of the world, can be just as entitled to be President as the one who actually has qualifications the job needs.

 

Well isn't that what democracy is all about?  Even a movie star can become President.

 

I find that most Canadians are awfully naive about what is going on in their own country.  I think they watch too much American television and get brainwashed.  I don't think I have ever seen any Canadian television stations on cable or satellite in the U.S.

 

They think they know more about U.S. politics than they actually do.  How many people living in a province next door to a U.S. state know the name of the governor of that state.  But they expect the Americans to know who is the premier of the province.

 

Now I asked the question of who would make a better neighbour than the U.S.  Perhaps Mexico or maybe Quebec who keeps threatening to secede and can't tolerate the English language?

 

 NUTS----------------




Alex Bean said:


Joe Blow said:

I see.

 

Now that I point out to you that Canada's hand are not clean, suddenly there are no responses?

 

Good. Glad I could enlighten everyone.

 

Dear Joe Blow!!!!!!!!!!!i am canadian too, but you seem to be bias re the US of AAAAAAAAAA maybe if you lived there and looking for a job you would feel differenT, we all know that the conservatives here in canada, are always following the  US in whatever scams they provide the world with,,,,,,,and you seem to feel you are enlighting the world  ??

 

Not the world.  Only smug Canadians of which I am one.  Jobless in Canada is the same as the U.S.

 

 

maybe the world is not interested in your hollywood comments ? question ? why do the US make so many war movies after they lost one ???  only to please theUS gun happy people,

 

Hollywood comments?  War movies.  Why don't you retaliate with facts instead of rhetoric?  Now try telling me Canadians don't go and watch those movies.  Canadian television is always promoting documentaries on war much more than the U.S.  They have whole series on war.  For example King and Country.  I love them and watch them all the time.

 

NRA is the most important agency in the US along with Cheney's Halliburton, one commentator claimed the US was a most civilized nation in the world !!!  WOW,, 34 states still have the death  penalty, that's really civilized !!!!

 

Don't be so smug about the death penalty.  In the U.S. it's the states that regulate the death penalty and Minnesota was so far ahead of Canada in abolishing the death penalty that Canada should stop crowing about it.  I can still remember the brutal method of Canada's way of the death penalty by hanging.  Right in my own town.  How's that for civilized. One guy even had his head snapped off when he fell.  It's only recently in history that Canada abolished the death penalty.  You're another guy that needs to get enlightened.  And the NRA is a voluntary organization and Canadians have protested the registration of guns because it's not voluntary.  NRA is not the most important agency in the U.S. by a long shot.

 

That's what I keep trying to tell you.  Do some research on the topic and maybe you might be able to come up with some facts to support your opinion.

 

Thanks for posting.  It makes for good dialogue and understanding.

TO JOE BLOW,

HI AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A DIALOGUE, IT'S A MONOLOGUE FROM JOE I THINK ????

PLEASE GO SEE ON THE NET THE FOLLOWING:::

1) US WAR CRMINALS

2) THE ROTCHSCHILD FAMILY ( IE THE US BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE) ?????

QUESTION ? WHY NOT ALLOW IRAN IT'S NUCLEAR ENERGY (NOT BOMBS), ISRAEL HAS IT, FRANCE &

ENGLAND,USA, INDIA & PAKISTAN, ETC ETC, & DON'T TELL ME IRAN IS DANGEROUS !!!,

FINALLY WHO IS BETTER,  CATHOLICS, ISLAM AND ALL THE OTHER GOOFY RELIGIONS OF THE WORLD INCLUDING THE SOUTH EVANGILICALS ????????????????????????????????

THIS IS MY LAST COMMENT ON THI ONE WAY COMMUNICATION JOKE,

THIS LITTLE PLANET IS GOING NOWHERE FAST BECAUSE HUMANITY STINKS,

HAVE A GOOD LIFE,, BYE BYE, FROM MR BEAN, THE ENGLISH JOKER,,,,,,,,

Joe Blow said:



Alex Bean said:


Joe Blow said:

I see.

 

Now that I point out to you that Canada's hand are not clean, suddenly there are no responses?

 

Good. Glad I could enlighten everyone.

 

Dear Joe Blow!!!!!!!!!!!i am canadian too, but you seem to be bias re the US of AAAAAAAAAA maybe if you lived there and looking for a job you would feel differenT, we all know that the conservatives here in canada, are always following the  US in whatever scams they provide the world with,,,,,,,and you seem to feel you are enlighting the world  ??

 

Not the world.  Only smug Canadians of which I am one.  Jobless in Canada is the same as the U.S.

 

 

maybe the world is not interested in your hollywood comments ? question ? why do the US make so many war movies after they lost one ???  only to please theUS gun happy people,

 

Hollywood comments?  War movies.  Why don't you retaliate with facts instead of rhetoric?  Now try telling me Canadians don't go and watch those movies.  Canadian television is always promoting documentaries on war much more than the U.S.  They have whole series on war.  For example King and Country.  I love them and watch them all the time.

 

NRA is the most important agency in the US along with Cheney's Halliburton, one commentator claimed the US was a most civilized nation in the world !!!  WOW,, 34 states still have the death  penalty, that's really civilized !!!!

 

Don't be so smug about the death penalty.  In the U.S. it's the states that regulate the death penalty and Minnesota was so far ahead of Canada in abolishing the death penalty that Canada should stop crowing about it.  I can still remember the brutal method of Canada's way of the death penalty by hanging.  Right in my own town.  How's that for civilized. One guy even had his head snapped off when he fell.  It's only recently in history that Canada abolished the death penalty.  You're another guy that needs to get enlightened.  And the NRA is a voluntary organization and Canadians have protested the registration of guns because it's not voluntary.  NRA is not the most important agency in the U.S. by a long shot.

 

That's what I keep trying to tell you.  Do some research on the topic and maybe you might be able to come up with some facts to support your opinion.

 

Thanks for posting.  It makes for good dialogue and understanding.

TO JOE BLOW,

HI AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A DIALOGUE, IT'S A MONOLOGUE FROM JOE I THINK ????

 

It's a dialogue on my end.  I copy your comments and respond to them. But all you do is ignore the response because it sinks your argument.

PLEASE GO SEE ON THE NET THE FOLLOWING:::

1) US WAR CRMINALS

Once again you are being naive.  What about the Somalia affair where Canadian soldiers beat a Somali teenager to death complete with pictures or doesn't that count as a war crime in your eyes?

2) THE ROTCHSCHILD FAMILY ( IE THE US BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE) ?????

I don't see your point here at all. The Rothchild family is a European family.

 

QUESTION ? WHY NOT ALLOW IRAN IT'S NUCLEAR ENERGY (NOT BOMBS), ISRAEL HAS IT, FRANCE &

ENGLAND,USA, INDIA & PAKISTAN, ETC ETC, & DON'T TELL ME IRAN IS DANGEROUS !!!,

Yep Iran is dangerous and it's the U.N. that is disputing the fact that Iran is going to use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes.  If you think that the leader of Iran is in his right mind then I feel sorry for you.

 

FINALLY WHO IS BETTER,  CATHOLICS, ISLAM AND ALL THE OTHER GOOFY RELIGIONS OF THE WORLD INCLUDING THE SOUTH EVANGILICALS ????????????????????????????????

I have no idea what you are talking about. Religious nutcases are the same all over the world.

THIS IS MY LAST COMMENT ON THI ONE WAY COMMUNICATION JOKE,

 

THIS LITTLE PLANET IS GOING NOWHERE FAST BECAUSE HUMANITY STINKS,

HAVE A GOOD LIFE,, BYE BYE, FROM MR BEAN, THE ENGLISH JOKER,,,,,,,,

You can run Alex but you can't hide.  Thanks for listening.

Now back to the topic.  Did the U.S. deserve to be retaliated against in 9-11?

Well Canadians were killed as well. Did they deserve it?

 

 

WOW AGAIN !!!!!!!!!  I HAD TO REPLY !!!!

THE ROTCHILDS FAMILY,,   GO AND FIND OUT WHAT THEY DID TO THE WORLD ECONOMY STARTING

WITH THE US CIVIL WAR AND THE NAPOLEONIC WARS, THEY CAME FROM GERMANY  !!!!!!!!

IRAN ???????  THE CIA PLANTED THE SHAH (A US DICTATOR ) IN IRAN, AND PANAMA, AND IRAQ, AND CHILE, ETC !!!!!!!! THE US HAS NURTURED DICTATORS ALL OVER THE WORLD !!!!!!!!

NAIVE ??????? AT LEAST I USE INFOS FROM BOTH SIDE OF THE FENCE AND NOT ONLY FROM THE US SIDE,

I AM ALMOST SURE YOU THINK THE CHRISTIANS WILL WIN OVER THE MUSLIMS SOMEDAY ???

AND WHAT ABOUT ISRAEL ? WILL THEY ACCEPT THE PALESTINIANS ???????

I AM WORRY OF WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK OF THE FRENCH IN QUEBEC,,,,,,,,,

YES I AM FRENCH, AND I TOO WAS FOOLED BY THE BIBLE STORIES WHEN I WAS YOUNG, WALT DISNEY

WAS MUCH BETTER !!!!!!!!!!

JE SUIS TRÈS ABBASOURDI PAR LE GENRE DE RÉACTIONS FABULEUSES QUI REBONDISSENT DE LA VOIX

D'UN CORRESPONDANT TEL QUE VOUS !!

Joe Blow said:

TO JOE BLOW,

HI AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A DIALOGUE, IT'S A MONOLOGUE FROM JOE I THINK ????

 

It's a dialogue on my end.  I copy your comments and respond to them. But all you do is ignore the response because it sinks your argument.

PLEASE GO SEE ON THE NET THE FOLLOWING:::

1) US WAR CRMINALS

Once again you are being naive.  What about the Somalia affair where Canadian soldiers beat a Somali teenager to death complete with pictures or doesn't that count as a war crime in your eyes?

2) THE ROTCHSCHILD FAMILY ( IE THE US BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE) ?????

I don't see your point here at all. The Rothchild family is a European family.

 

QUESTION ? WHY NOT ALLOW IRAN IT'S NUCLEAR ENERGY (NOT BOMBS), ISRAEL HAS IT, FRANCE &

ENGLAND,USA, INDIA & PAKISTAN, ETC ETC, & DON'T TELL ME IRAN IS DANGEROUS !!!,

Yep Iran is dangerous and it's the U.N. that is disputing the fact that Iran is going to use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes.  If you think that the leader of Iran is in his right mind then I feel sorry for you.

 

FINALLY WHO IS BETTER,  CATHOLICS, ISLAM AND ALL THE OTHER GOOFY RELIGIONS OF THE WORLD INCLUDING THE SOUTH EVANGILICALS ????????????????????????????????

I have no idea what you are talking about. Religious nutcases are the same all over the world.

THIS IS MY LAST COMMENT ON THI ONE WAY COMMUNICATION JOKE,

 

THIS LITTLE PLANET IS GOING NOWHERE FAST BECAUSE HUMANITY STINKS,

HAVE A GOOD LIFE,, BYE BYE, FROM MR BEAN, THE ENGLISH JOKER,,,,,,,,

You can run Alex but you can't hide.  Thanks for listening.

Now back to the topic.  Did the U.S. deserve to be retaliated against in 9-11?

Well Canadians were killed as well. Did they deserve it?

 

 



Alex Bean said:

WOW AGAIN !!!!!!!!!  I HAD TO REPLY !!!!

THE ROTCHILDS FAMILY,,   GO AND FIND OUT WHAT THEY DID TO THE WORLD ECONOMY STARTING

WITH THE US CIVIL WAR AND THE NAPOLEONIC WARS, THEY CAME FROM GERMANY  !!!!!!!!

IRAN ???????  THE CIA PLANTED THE SHAH (A US DICTATOR ) IN IRAN, AND PANAMA, AND IRAQ, AND CHILE, ETC !!!!!!!! THE US HAS NURTURED DICTATORS ALL OVER THE WORLD !!!!!!!!

NAIVE ??????? AT LEAST I USE INFOS FROM BOTH SIDE OF THE FENCE AND NOT ONLY FROM THE US SIDE,

I AM ALMOST SURE YOU THINK THE CHRISTIANS WILL WIN OVER THE MUSLIMS SOMEDAY ???

AND WHAT ABOUT ISRAEL ? WILL THEY ACCEPT THE PALESTINIANS ???????

I AM WORRY OF WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK OF THE FRENCH IN QUEBEC,,,,,,,,,

YES I AM FRENCH, AND I TOO WAS FOOLED BY THE BIBLE STORIES WHEN I WAS YOUNG, WALT DISNEY

WAS MUCH BETTER !!!!!!!!!!

JE SUIS TRÈS ABBASOURDI PAR LE GENRE DE RÉACTIONS FABULEUSES QUI REBONDISSENT DE LA VOIX

D'UN CORRESPONDANT TEL QUE VOUS !!

Joe Blow said:

TO JOE BLOW,

HI AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A DIALOGUE, IT'S A MONOLOGUE FROM JOE I THINK ????

 

It's a dialogue on my end.  I copy your comments and respond to them. But all you do is ignore the response because it sinks your argument.

PLEASE GO SEE ON THE NET THE FOLLOWING:::

1) US WAR CRMINALS

Once again you are being naive.  What about the Somalia affair where Canadian soldiers beat a Somali teenager to death complete with pictures or doesn't that count as a war crime in your eyes?

2) THE ROTCHSCHILD FAMILY ( IE THE US BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE) ?????

I don't see your point here at all. The Rothchild family is a European family.

 

QUESTION ? WHY NOT ALLOW IRAN IT'S NUCLEAR ENERGY (NOT BOMBS), ISRAEL HAS IT, FRANCE &

ENGLAND,USA, INDIA & PAKISTAN, ETC ETC, & DON'T TELL ME IRAN IS DANGEROUS !!!,

Yep Iran is dangerous and it's the U.N. that is disputing the fact that Iran is going to use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes.  If you think that the leader of Iran is in his right mind then I feel sorry for you.

 

FINALLY WHO IS BETTER,  CATHOLICS, ISLAM AND ALL THE OTHER GOOFY RELIGIONS OF THE WORLD INCLUDING THE SOUTH EVANGILICALS ????????????????????????????????

I have no idea what you are talking about. Religious nutcases are the same all over the world.

THIS IS MY LAST COMMENT ON THI ONE WAY COMMUNICATION JOKE,

 

THIS LITTLE PLANET IS GOING NOWHERE FAST BECAUSE HUMANITY STINKS,

HAVE A GOOD LIFE,, BYE BYE, FROM MR BEAN, THE ENGLISH JOKER,,,,,,,,

You can run Alex but you can't hide.  Thanks for listening.

Now back to the topic.  Did the U.S. deserve to be retaliated against in 9-11?

Well Canadians were killed as well. Did they deserve it?

 

 

**I am not aware there were Canadian troops in Vietnam, officially sent by Canada. I know some Canadians volunteered to fight because for a long time they wanted a military pension from Canada and never got one.  I must check on that. I know there were non-fighting "advisors" in Iraq, and mercenaries who were hired to fight.**

 


 

**I am talking about products that are OBVIOUSLY Canadian, like books, TV or film - or any product that is obviously Canadian.  That is one of the bigger complaints of other nations as well.  We are the greatest buyers of American cultural products.  At one time 92% of the cultural products in Canada were American.  We watch movies about American cowboys, and Chicago gangsters, watch TV shows about California and Hawaii, read what New Yorkers are doing in magazines.  But we are told that we can't act like Canadians in Canadian movies because Americans aren't interested in that.  Americans also want foreign movies to be remade into American movies before they will watch them, no matter how popular they may have been in their original form. Latest:  The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo

 

We are told that we can't act like Canadians because Americans aren't interested.  Well a lot of movies are shot right here in Canada for American consumption as well as Canadian.  And I have to laugh when I see an American film when there is a Mountie in dress uniform walking  in the background.  I have yet to see a Mountie in full red uniform on the street in Canada anywhere.

 

A couple of years ago 13 Tim Hortons opened in New York, one in Grand Central Station. When customers were informed this was a Canadian franchise most of them said they preferred to be eating American donuts than Canadian donuts.  I think that any company that would be obviously as associated with Canada as Tim Hortons would suffer the same opinions.

 

Well they should have been informed that Tim Horton's is owned by Wendy's an American firm.  You see the statement is goofy.  The donuts are made wherever the franchise is located.  But I will tell you that there is more competition in the U.S. for donut shops than in Canada.  And are you aware that Tim Horton's has been rated among the top for poor service?

 

We have stores here called American Apparel.  I can't imagine stores in the U.S. succeeding called Canadian Apparel.

 

Why not?  Roots is extremely popular in the U.S. and I was in a large department store in the U.S. that was selling jackets with the maple leaf on it.  I checked the label.  They were made in Winnipeg.

 

 


Canada sells mostly natural resources and parts of things that are then constructed in the U.S. 

 

Not true.  All kinds of cars are completely made in a Canadian factory in Canada and are sold in the U.S.

 

 

Recently the New York Post lambasted Obama for riding in a campaign bus the post said was a "foreign" bus built in Canada.  Only its shell was built in Canada, but it shows the attitude when something non-American is favoured.**

 

The New York Post is not highly regarded for its opinion is it?   You're trying to tell me that their opinion is that of all Americans?

 


 

**Sure, you're right about the poverty on reserves, which is also in the U.S.  And Canada sure does have homelessness.  But Canada also has generous social programs that help people rise up out of their circumstances, and a safety net that tries to catch the vulnerable.  Any politician daring to say that Social Security or Medicare should be cancelled would be a politician with a dead career.**

 

What generous social programs help people out of homelessness and poverty. The Salvation Army?  If you're poor in Canada or poor in the U.S. you're exactly in the same boat.

 


 

**Well getting old in Canada is better than in the U.S.  We have a Guaranteed Income Supplement that is not very high, but does make it much better than merely the government pension.  There are provincially-funded nursing homes and some have had problems, but so have the paid ones.  A friend of mine in Louisiana tracked down a 90 year old uncle in Tennessee and found that he had been tied hands and feet to the bed for 3 months, and had such bad bedsores his flesh was worn to the bone.  That was a private nursing home.

 

There is social security in the U.S. as well as Canada.  Now if you want to talk of nursing care in Canada you can hear just as many bad stories about the care as well. My sister just died in a nursing home in Canada and her bedsore became infected.  Try getting sick in Canada and going into a nursing home.  It's not free or cheap.  They take your pensions including the supplement and leave you a few dollars to buy a few luxuries.  That is if you can find a volunteer to take you shopping.

 

The "socialist" politician was a social democrat.  There is a difference. 

 

Not enough to make a difference.

 

Same difference there was between Norway and the USSR. 

 

No the USSR was communism not socialism.  In the USSR the state owned everything.

 

No one is trying to escape from Norway.  That's the problem with Americans.  They are so afraid of the word "socialist", they don't even know what it means. 

 

They think it means the Soviet Union will be reborn in the U.S.  However, most of what you find humane in your economic system comes from socialism.  Pensions, paid vacation, social security, welfare, a 5-day work week (or at least a limited hour work week), minimum wage.  All those were socialist principles FDR implemented because it was obvious that laissez-faire capitalism would not be tolerated after what it did to create the Great Depression.  In fact if you did not have those safety nets in place now, there would be rioting in the streets, what with the economy being what it is in the U.S. If the Tea Party has its way and removes those safety nets there will be rioting in the streets.

 

So has any of those socialist principles been revoked?  The Tea Party has no intention of removing those safety nets.  That's a myth.

 

Tommy Douglas may have started the ball rolling with universal healthcare, but it was eagerly carried on, and any politician now advocating dismantling the system and making it what it is in the U.S. would be committing career suicide.** 

 

Be honest now.   How many times have you voted for the NDP in Canada?  Why have they never been able to form a government although the policies you touted are those of the NDP?

 


 

**You are talking about the truncated version Obama was forced to put out because of the monumental opposition to the functional version he first proposed.

He wasn't forced to do anything.  He is the president.  The ball is in his court.  If he doesn't like a bill he can use the veto. Obama has no balls because he is afraid of losing the next election.

 

I agree that forcing people to purchase insurance is strange. I'm not even sure why the Republicans are fighting it so hard because the private insurance companies get to sell more insurance.  But I also read and heard the rhetoric from Americans about the fear of government, the trust in the private sector, the communist/nazi inclinations of Obama forcing Americans to get free government care instead of the dignity of not being able to afford private insurance.  It became downright un-American to want government insurance.  Better to die poor than die un-American.  In fact it is downright un-American to be poor.  The poor deserve their lot because if they have not figured out a way to be rich they must be too lazy to be "real" Americans.  It is a social crime to be poor in the U.S.**

 You have a preconceived notion about American thinking but the Democrats got elected on the promise of change and health care so how did that happen?

 


 

Well isn't that what democracy is all about? 

 

**That's too much democracy.  Like having the right to vote from birth or for the mentally insane would be too much democracy.  Neither you nor the world would want to live under a President like that, and I am sure after one was elected and served his/her term some amendment to the Constitution would be passed that made the job requirements a little more specific.**  

What are the job requirements for a Canadian Prime Minister.  Do you think Mc Kenzie King was qualified when he had seances?

 

 


**Not as naive as Americans, I don't think. There are things that have gone on in the U.S. in the last 11 years that I was sure Americans wouldn't put up with if they knew what was going on, but I don't think they know what's been going on.  The attacks on Obama are a good example, calling him socialist and Nazi and being totally unaware that every other western, industrialized country has some form of government healthcare and the sky has not fallen on those countries. Who can honestly listen to FOX News?  Who can take Glenn Beck seriously?

I know what you are talking about but that's U.S. politics.  If they lose they try to get back in by disparaging negative ads.

I see the same thing happening to a certain extent in Canada now. When it comes right down to it, it's up to the voters in the U.S. to elect change.  Obama had a chance and blew it.

The belief that the rich are going to trickle down their tax cuts or create jobs if they get them is another naive belief.  The rich are hiring overseas. The lack of understanding that today's global economy that major corporations did much to establish means that days of plentiful, good-paying jobs are gone. They are not aware that the best hope they have of getting good jobs is for China, India and Brazil to start advertising for them. 

 

You are right about that.  As Larry King put it. " I would rather see trickle up than trickle down."  The problem is that money talks and money gets elections won.  It doesn't talk it hollers.  Now try going into a department store and buying something made in Canada.  Canada is in the same boat when it comes to exporting jobs.  No different at all from the U.S. You seem to think it's a U.S. problem.  It isn't.  Canada is in the same boat. 


You can't keep expecting each generation to do better than the last.  There is only so far to go.  That may have made sense when there was little industrialization and plenty of resources, but not at this stage of the game.

 

It's an up and down thing.  One generation does well and the next suffers or vice versa.

 

We watch too much American TV because, like I said, 90% of the cultural product has been coming from the U.S.  Americans are complaining that the rest of the world has no right to tell it how to run its business, but if you sell CNN and FOX all over the world you can't blame people for having opinions.

 

You watch too much American TV because you have no choice.  Canadians simply don't like what Canada produces.  There are some stars like Corner Gas and they like it in the U.S.  They also like the Red Green show. 

 

You don't see Canadian TV because the U.S. won't buy it or watch it when it's bought.  It's too foreign.  The same way they complained about the CFL franchise in the U.S.  They didn't want to be playing places like Edmonton or Saskatchewan even though CFL stands for Canadian Football League.**

 

Again a preconcieved notion. It was the Canadians that complained about the U.S. franchise in Canada not the other way around.  If the fans show up at the ball park the franchise would go the same as most of the players in the NHL are Canadian.  Actually the Americans support hockey in greater numbers than Canada.  Do they like Canadian players?  Well check to see how many Canadian kids are offered full scholarship in American universities.

 

You're right. Something comes on the news sometimes, and sometimes a governor stands out enough to be well-known.  But for the most part what goes on in the individual states is not known.  But most Canadians knows who is the American President and that the capital is Washington. An awful lot of Americans don't know as much about Canada or even what the form of government is or how Canada has been standing by them and helping them in their wars.

Don't kid yourself.  After 9-11 and the help Canada gave to the U.S. they are well aware of Canada and Canadians.  I really don't understand the U.S. form of government either with the House of Representatives and the Senate and all that.

 

 

**Well Quebec is a neighbour and we know what that's like.  It's hard to answer that question, really.  If the U.S. was never there how would life be different? 

Yes but Quebec is a province.  What would it be like if they separated and became a separate country?

 

It's a complicated question because although Canada has benefitted much the relationship financially, and most Americans are nice and a lot of fun, much of the reasons Canada is culturally stunted and its economy run by so many American firms is because of the tremendous power of the U.S.  The U.S. has made it obvious that if Canada tries to be too independent in its direction, if it goes against the interests of the U.S. it may not be as nice and fun anymore. 

I don't think so.  When Canada decided not to go into Iraq I didn't see anything that they were going to retaliate for.

 

I think the Mexican border would be safer because the drug wars now going on are a direct result of America's need to be so heavy handed about the use of drugs. 

Safer.  You have to be kidding. Heavy handed?  Would you like to have Canada in the same boat.  Do you think Canada wouldn't be heavy handed. 

 

And who knows Mexico's economic situation may also be some result of Mexican/American politics and maybe a Mexican/Canadian relationship would have been different.

Pure speculation.  Canadians flock to the U.S. each year for a winter vacation.  Have you read the experience of Canadians going to Mexico.  The Canadian government issues warnings about travelling to Mexico.

Thanks for listening and sticking to the argument instead of attacking the poster as some do in discussions.


Okay, so here is what The Canadian Encyclopedia says about Canada in the Vietnam War.  Strictly speaking there were no troops.  Any Canadian wanting to fight in the war had to join the American military.

However:

During the years 1954 to 1975 Canada served on 2 international truce commissions and provided medical supplies and technical assistance. Canadian diplomats were involved in negotiations between Washington and Hanoi and successive Canadian governments, both Liberal and Conservative, maintained that Ottawa was an impartial and objective peacekeeper, an innocent and helpful bystander negotiating for peace and administering aid to victims of the war. However, Cabinet papers, confidential stenographic minutes of the truce commissions as well as top-secret American government cables revealed Canada to be a willing ally of US counterinsurgency efforts.

Canada's record on the truce commissions was a partisan one, rooted in the presumption of Hanoi's guilt and Saigon's innocence and designed to discredit North Vietnam while exonerating South Vietnam from its obligations to uphold the Geneva Agreements. Canadian delegates engaged in espionage for the US Central Intelligence Agency and aided the covert introduction of American arms and personnel into South Vietnam while they spotted for US bombers over North Vietnam. Canadian commissioners shielded the US chemical defoliant program from public inquiry, parlayed American threats of expanded war to Hanoi, and penned the reports legitimating both the rupture of the Geneva Agreements and the US air war over North Vietnam. Ottawa would later assert that these actions were necessary to counterbalance the activities of the Eastern bloc countries with whom they shared membership on the truce commissions.

Canadian aid during the war went only to South Vietnam, $29 million 1950-75, routed through the COLOMBO PLAN and the Canadian Red Cross. Although humanitarian in appearance, Canadian assistance was an integral part of the Free World Assistance Program, co-ordinated by the US Department of State with the International Security Office of the Pentagon as the point of contact. In the field, Canadian capital assistance was regulated by the US-RVN Health Defense Agreement and administered by the International Military Assistance Force Office in Saigon. On a number of occasions, Ottawa stopped the shipment of ecumenical medical relief to civilian victims of the war in North Vietnam.

At home, 500 firms sold $2.5 billion of war materiel (ammunition, napalm, aircraft engines and explosives) to the Pentagon. Another $10 billion in food, beverages, berets and boots for the troops was exported to the US, as well as nickel, copper, lead, brass and oil for shell casings, wiring, plate armour and military transport. In Canada unemployment fell to record low levels of 3.9%, the gross domestic product rose by 6% yearly, and capital expenditure expanded exponentially in manufacturing and mining as US firms invested more than $3 billion in Canada to offset shrinking domestic capacity as a result of the war. The herbicide "Agent Orange" was tested for use in Vietnam at CFB Gagetown, NB. US bomber pilots practised carpet-bombing runs over Suffield, Alta, and North Battleford, Sask, before their tours of duty in Southeast Asia. And the results of the only successful peace initiative to Hanoi - that of Canadian diplomat Chester RONNING - would be kept from public knowledge in order not to harm official US-Canadian relations. Ten thousand young Canadian men fought in the US armed forces in the war. At the same time 20 000 American draft-dodgers and 12 000 army deserters found refuge in Canada.

Thanks for that.

 

No matter how we look at it.  Canada and the U.S. are joined at the hip so to speak.

 

Canada fought side by side in every war that the U.S. was involved in except Iraq and Vietnam but they were involved on the side of the U.S. in all the wars.

 

My reason for posting is that there is a preconceived notion among Canadians about the U.S.

 

One should never criticize another country until they examine their own country's foreign policy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

WOW AGAIN !!!!!!!!!  I HAD TO REPLY !!!!

THE ROTCHILDS FAMILY,,   GO AND FIND OUT WHAT THEY DID TO THE WORLD ECONOMY STARTING

WITH THE US CIVIL WAR AND THE NAPOLEONIC WARS, THEY CAME FROM GERMANY  !!!!!!!!

I still don't get your point.  They were a European family and you're talking ancient history. U.S. civil war and the Napoleonic wars.  Come on man.  Get modern.

 

IRAN ???????  THE CIA PLANTED THE SHAH (A US DICTATOR ) IN IRAN, AND PANAMA, AND IRAQ, AND CHILE, ETC !!!!!!!! THE US HAS NURTURED DICTATORS ALL OVER THE WORLD !!!!!!!!

You are wrong about the Shah.  The CIA. did not plant him.  He was the ruler of Iran until his overthrow from a long line of rulers of Iran. What dictator did they plant in Panama and Iraq and Chile?

 

NAIVE ??????? AT LEAST I USE INFOS FROM BOTH SIDE OF THE FENCE AND NOT ONLY FROM THE US SIDE,

No you don't you look at it only from your side.  You have a notion about the U.S. in your head and you don't even consider the other side.

 

 

I AM ALMOST SURE YOU THINK THE CHRISTIANS WILL WIN OVER THE MUSLIMS SOMEDAY ???

 

I have no idea about that and neither do you.  I didn't know they were fighting each other so one could win.

AND WHAT ABOUT ISRAEL ? WILL THEY ACCEPT THE PALESTINIANS ???????

Both sides have been working on that for a long time.  It's up to each side to come to terms not just one.

 

I AM WORRY OF WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK OF THE FRENCH IN QUEBEC,,,,,,,,,

YES I AM FRENCH, AND I TOO WAS FOOLED BY THE BIBLE STORIES WHEN I WAS YOUNG, WALT DISNEY

WAS MUCH BETTER !!!!!!!!!!

My concern about Quebec is the constant reminder of separation from Canada.  My other concern is how they treat the English language in Quebec, for instance putting barriers on signs in English.  You don't see the same barriers in other provinces.  If someone wants to put up a sign in English they can go right ahead and do it.

 

JE SUIS TRÈS ABBASOURDI PAR LE GENRE DE RÉACTIONS FABULEUSES QUI REBONDISSENT DE LA VOIX

D'UN CORRESPONDANT TEL QUE VOUS !!   Please translate that into English.  I don't have command of the French language but I wish I did. 

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